Reddish anal

[Xx{-_-}xX]

Hi notice my aro having a redish anal.. feeding as per normal. No putrution.. but anal hole slightly then normal.. has been like this for a 4 days now. Any photos i can see of anal portusion case??
What can the prob be pls.. Thanks
:confused: :confused:

[Kim Leng]

From my understanding and research (on the web) (correct me if I am wrong) it could be internal parascites. I believe that the new magazine (ornamental fish) by Qian Hu has some pics of it on other fish.

I am still searching for books with photos that show the different diseases. This will aid in identifying the problems more accurately.

If ir is internal parascites, you can use metro (available from Chai's discus farm and also at Pet Pro) or you can try (which I have), interpet internal bacteria medication. I believe that internal bacteria infection is different from Internal parascites but the interpet medication can cure it also.

For metro, I crush a little and mix with the food and feed it to the fish.....the balance, I add directly into the water.

Hope you get a good confirmation on the problem and that your fish recovers.

[Xx{-_-}xX]

Thanks for the quick reply.. should.. i stop feeding pls??

[Kim Leng]

When my LH had internal parascites, I researched on the matter and there seems to be two different opinions....one say feed, the others say no.... But they all have one thing in common....they said to mix metrodinazol with the food and feed to the fish...so I presume that it is allright to feed them. Medication will be more concentrated in that manner.

Also , I continued to feed the fish as I did not want it to weaken and thus cause its own immune system to fall thus causing more problems.....

Oh yes, I was also advised to try feeding garlic raw and also drop garlic juice into the water (2 ft tank about 5 drops)...I was desperate so I did that also......

Cant really pin point the cure but I was willing to mix herbal (garlic) with Metro and it did eventually solve the problem (2 weeks).

After the metro treatment, I waited 3 days before doing a wter change and using the interpet medication.

I did not turn the heater to 32 degrees as recommended by some but instead left it at 29 degrees to stabilize the temperature change to reduce stress to the sick fish.

[Xx{-_-}xX]

Ok thanks bro.. i m running off to PP to get the internal bacteria medi.. thanks alot bro.. :)

[Kim Leng]

Check with them also....they have lots of experience

[Hobbit6003]

Hi all,

A reddish anus is indicative of an inflammatory reaction of the tissues around the anal region. There're many causes to this clinical sign seen, which may in turn indicate a localised infection/irritation of some sort, or a systemic infection.

Many aro hobbyists believe that feeding dried shrimps or krills may give rise to a swollen or protruded anus. This may result as harden chitin are passed out undigested or partially digested, such that it may traumatise the tissues around the anal opening. This is usually a result of heavy feeding at a single session, as there's little time to have a good digestion of the food.

The other probable cause is a systemic infection by internal parasites, mainly nematodal in nature. The swollen and protruding anus is a typical clinical sign of a camallanus infection. Camallanus are nematodal worms which has a final life cycle residing in the internal organs of the fish, namely the intestines or the liver. Feeder fishes are usually carriers of camallanus worms, which in turn infect the arowanas when it eats these contaminated food. In heavy infestation, you'd see that there's two hair like protrusion hanging at the anal opening, besides the swollen anus. The worms would release their eggs or larvae into the water, which will reside in an intermediate host, usually organisms called the copepods, where they undergo several moulting before they mature and reinfect the fishes. In later stage of heavy infestation, secondary bacterial infection occurs and the fish may now look weak and emaciated, and soon dies.

As for treatment, I wouldn't suggest using metronidazole as a first line drug against either the first probability (diet of dried shrimps/krills), or even the second probability (internal nematodal parasites). Metronidazole is an antibiotic, which if used indiscriminately, may produce resistant strain of bacteria, proving harder to treat subsequently. Furthermore, metronidazole is not exactly the drug of choice for treatment of nematodal worms, it is a second line drug. The drug of choice for treatment of nematodal worm such as camallanus would be levamisole HCl.

Garlic is also used to purge the worms out of the gastrointestinal tract, as a prophylactic or preventive measure. Such methods are popular with discus or guppy breeders.

To ascertain the exact nature of the problem, perhaps you'd like to post a pic here. How big is your aro, and what is its dietary pattern like?

Cheers,

Kenny

[Xx{-_-}xX]

Hi kenny thanks for the detailed explanation.. 1st of all i dun have a DC so i cant post a pic :(
Maybe i shall describe in detail.....

Diet : Aquaone shrimps, bullfrogs, very little pellets, live prawns. My aro is abt 12 inch.

Description of affected anal : Its very red ard the anal opening . Very very slightly swollen and slight potrution say abt 1 or 2 mm. No sign or any worms.

Fish : still active and wants to eat all the time. But currently have reduced its feeding. Have stoped dried shrimps for the moment. feeding with frogs way below its normal feeding. Added salt changed water abt 15%. Its been like this for abt five days now. And past 3 days its not gotten worse.

Are there any pics of previous cases where i can take a look of perhaps compare my fish with?

So wat should i do and not do pls.... a advance ..thank u so much:)

[Hobbit6003]

Well, from your description, it is most likely some inflammation of the anal region, with or without secondary bacterial infection.

I was just reading up some literature that said that eating food that has gone bad, especially prepared ones, can also lead to intestinal irritation, and may have a presentation of a swollen anus.

It sure doesn't look like an intestinal worm infestation, as by the time the anus is swollen, the fish would have appetite loss and possibly emaciation (wasting of muscular tissues).

So for your case, just make sure that the water quality is good and the condition stable. A salt concentration of about 0.1% would suffice at this point of time.

As for usage of antibacterial medication, as of now, I do not see the need to, as the anus, according to your description, is stable. Monitor over the next few days and keep us all updated.:)

Be patient though, it'll take a while for it to regress.

Cheers,

Kenny

[Xx{-_-}xX]

A Big thank you to both Kenny and Kim Leng.
Thanks for the reassuring words. I will monitor closely and keep feeding to the minimal. Will update again tomz.Will stop dried food till its really better.
Thanks again ... you guys are great :) :)

[Isna]

yeah, agree with Kenny.
Metronidazole is an important antibiotic in human medicine--treats gastric ulcers....some resistance has already been reported recently....should avoid unnecessary use.

main indication is for hexamita, n other GI protozoan infections. the important question is " Is your fish losing weight, n appears unthrifty?", also, " does your fish have diarrhoea?? POOs normal?". these r the usual clinical signs of GI protozoan infections...a high stocking rate, poor water quality etc....r other risk factors.

u should remove aquaone shrimps from the diet immediately. check previous postings at arowana talk...they have anecdotally been found to b associated with anal prolapse, n is the most likely cause for the lesion in your aro....

When i first saw your thread" reddish anus", alarm bells rang. Reddening around this region is classical of septicaemia in fishes. It's often accompanied by similar reddening( blood red) of the BASE of the FINS, esp pectoral, pelvic....u might also see petechial haemorrhages( tiny pinpoint blood spots) on the belly, and signs of dropsy.......

[Xx{-_-}xX]

Originally posted by Isna
yeah, agree with Kenny.
Metronidazole is an important antibiotic in human medicine--treats gastric ulcers....some resistance has already been reported recently....should avoid unnecessary use.

main indication is for hexamita, n other GI protozoan infections. the important question is " Is your fish losing weight, n appears unthrifty?", also, " does your fish have diarrhoea?? POOs normal?". these r the usual clinical signs of GI protozoan infections...a high stocking rate, poor water quality etc....r other risk factors.

u should remove aquaone shrimps from the diet immediately. check previous postings at arowana talk...they have anecdotally been found to b associated with anal prolapse, n is the most likely cause for the lesion in your aro....

When i first saw your thread" reddish anus", alarm bells rang. Reddening around this region is classical of septicaemia in fishes. It's often accompanied by similar reddening( blood red) of the BASE of the FINS, esp pectoral, pelvic....u might also see petechial haemorrhages( tiny pinpoint blood spots) on the belly, and signs of dropsy.......

Hi, My fish is not losing weight, its still very active, begging for food more then ever. I have stopped dried shrimps as a precaution.

My fish as got.. Reddening only at the anal opening with a slight 1.5mm potrusion. The rest of the body is not affected.

At the moment ... just keeping the water clean , added salt, feeding minimal food... like non shell items. Keeping my fingers crossed.. hope it subsides by itself.

Thanks again.. u guys have been a great help.:)

[Xx{-_-}xX]

There is the pic... so wat u think the prob is guys.. the potrution is just after the shit hole at the genital region:(

[Xx{-_-}xX]

Another shot of it.. Hope the experts know wats the actual prob is to my aro.. Thanks.

[Isna]

yup, looks like prolapsed tissue to me. we were right thanks to your description....lets hope it regresses.....as they usually do:)

[Xx{-_-}xX]

Hi, thanks for the confirmation guys. Appreciate it loads. So my fish condition was caused by the dry and rough texture of the Dried shrimps or as a whole... its prepared food :confused:

If its the texture... will soaking it in water for abt an hr b4 feeding.. be safe... just wondering :rolleyes:

[Alvin Koh]

Originally posted by Xx{-_-}xX
There is the pic... so wat u think the prob is guys.. the potrution is just after the shit hole at the genital region:(

Xx{-_-}xX ,

Can we make use of your pictures in our disease archives?.. We are collecting pictures of all common diseases if possible and it's still best we get from the members directly and provide credit whenever possible to ensure there's no plagarism.

Alvin.

[Xx{-_-}xX]

Originally posted by Alvin Koh


Xx{-_-}xX ,

Can we make use of your pictures in our disease archives?.. We are collecting pictures of all common diseases if possible and it's still best we get from the members directly and provide credit whenever possible to ensure there's no plagarism.

Alvin.

Hi Alvin, Sure u can use the pics... No prob at all. Am glad it will be useful to others....:) :)

[Xx{-_-}xX]

Guys so far got no improvement...I am ready to try medication.. wat medi shall i use... pls advise:(

[PoPoK]

the last time this happened to me.i reduced feeding and some days i did not feed it..after nearly a month it disapeared.


CHEERS

[Xx{-_-}xX]

Originally posted by PoPoK
the last time this happened to me.i reduced feeding and some days i did not feed it..after nearly a month it disapeared.


CHEERS

Bro.. this sounds logical and gd idea... Bro wat did u feed during the days of reduced feeding and how much pls? Were they soft foods?? Appreciate it alot... thanks
:)

[Isna]

perhaps u can briefly described what u've done so far.
is it still eating?
happy swimming etc?
any diarrhoea/abnormal faeces?

there's probably no need for medication bro....
i suppose u could knock him out, digitally reduce it, and perhaps drench him with some dewormers...just in case it's camallanus, capillaria....
have u changed his diet? reduced his feed?? water changes? salt?

[Xx{-_-}xX]

Originally posted by Isna
perhaps u can briefly described what u've done so far.
is it still eating?
happy swimming etc?
any diarrhoea/abnormal faeces?

there's probably no need for medication bro....
i suppose u could knock him out, digitally reduce it, and perhaps drench him with some dewormers...just in case it's camallanus, capillaria....
have u changed his diet? reduced his feed?? water changes? salt?

So far its behaviour hasnt change 1 bit... he is still feeding very well.. swimming as per normal. His shit is normal too but seem like a opeq whitish very small shit like coming out from the anal most of the time. I have checked it closely.. its not a worm. If comes in bits just abt 1mm each time and its lifeless.This worries me alot. The affected area has not turn better nor bad.

Its diet is prawns without shell, occasional dried shrimps soaked in water for hours till its very soft.And occasional superworms to keep up its protein level. Do i have to make changes to its deit or will feeding goldfish help? Water change done 15% or 20% every 3 days. Added salt after each water change.

Pls comment bros .. Thanks.

[Isna]

hmm, what do u guys think?
it could still b from the previous diet---high dried shrimp....
or possibly an infection--since he's got diarrhoea.
i've seen mucoid bits of poo cast like u've described in fishes with TB, but they also occur with hexamita GI infections, n possibly coccidia..

have u used feeders before? this would increase the chance of getting TB.

anyway,
i would b inclined to hold on first with any medications, since he's eating n swimming well....we might do more harm with medications.
any other fishes in the tank?

perhaps u can try not to feed the dried shrimps at all....
n continue with prawns n superworms etc.
n water changes/salt......

how long has this been bro? popok had to wait a mth.....
:D :D

[Xx{-_-}xX]

Originally posted by Isna
hmm, what do u guys think?
it could still b from the previous diet---high dried shrimp....
or possibly an infection--since he's got diarrhoea.
i've seen mucoid bits of poo cast like u've described in fishes with TB, but they also occur with hexamita GI infections, n possibly coccidia..

have u used feeders before? this would increase the chance of getting TB.

anyway,
i would b inclined to hold on first with any medications, since he's eating n swimming well....we might do more harm with medications.
any other fishes in the tank?

perhaps u can try not to feed the dried shrimps at all....
n continue with prawns n superworms etc.
n water changes/salt......

how long has this been bro? popok had to wait a mth.....
:D :D

Hi, So i understand the whiteish translucent thing is diareoh now. But its in very very small quatity.
My fish has been like this for abt 2 weeks now.
Its got 2 silver dollars and a small pleco as its tankmates... no sign of any prob with them so far.

As the question if i have feed with feeder fishes... i only fed him once which was abt 2 months back.Since then he had no feeder fish.

Current situation... just fed it wz 7 superworms since whole of yesterday i did not feed. Still begging for food still swimming well. The infected area is not swollen, still there is a pinkish potrusion abt 2 or 3 mm. As it is.. its not gone worse then 5 days back.. nor it has got better.