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Old 18-07-2005, 02:53 PM   #1
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hi,

Need advice.
Bought a copperband butterfly yesterday, didn't eat pellets, flakes and frozen bloodworm.

Any bro/sis here successfully rear copperband what is the diet given?
I still not yet try tuberflex worm, baby brine shrimp and mysis shrimp.
which one is better?

Thanks
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Old 19-07-2005, 08:35 PM   #2
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hi,

Need advice.
Bought a copperband butterfly yesterday, didn't eat pellets, flakes and frozen bloodworm.

Any bro/sis here successfully rear copperband what is the diet given?
I still not yet try tuberflex worm, baby brine shrimp and mysis shrimp.
which one is better?

Thanks
Though I've not kept any copperband, but advice that u don't buy any of them in future, cos they r very difficult to keep. Most of them would not survive if not readily to train them take frozen, pellets food etc. Try whatever u can feed it for the time being especially live food. Adding frozen food towards a blowing powerhead can tantalize the appetize of the fish, so try it. Good luck!
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Old 19-07-2005, 09:42 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by mcktan
hi,

Need advice.
Bought a copperband butterfly yesterday, didn't eat pellets, flakes and frozen bloodworm.

Any bro/sis here successfully rear copperband what is the diet given?
I still not yet try tuberflex worm, baby brine shrimp and mysis shrimp.
which one is better?

Thanks
U might like to try New Life Spectrum Product.

Pablo's 2000 Gallon Aquarium
http://forums.spectrumfishfood.com/viewtopic.php?t=66

For those of you who have never seen Pablo's 2000 gallon marine tank.

This little show tank is approx 10ft long, 8ft deep, and 4ft high.


Pablo's saltwater aquarium contains species such as; Butterfly Fish, Parrot Fish, Philippine Regal Angels, Majestic Angels, Rock Beauty, Moorish Idol, Achilles Tang, Cuban Hawkfish, Clown Tang, Blue Ring Angel, Blue Face Angel, Trimaculatus Angel, and the list goes on and on ..... and they all eat New Life Spectrum exclusively.

Some of these saltwater species only feed on specialized foods in the wild, such as Coral Polyps and Sponges, and will usually turn their noses up to commercial foods. These finicky species not only accept New Life Spectrum, they are thriving on it!

Before NLS this was unheard of, and many of these species would die within a short period of time once placed in captivity. No other commercial food can produce results like you see below! The only people that will tell you that you must feed a varied diet, is people that do not feed NLS exclusively. With NLS food there is no need to vary the diet, everything they need is already in the food.

This is what you can expect to see when you feed your fish NLS exclusively!

















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Hope that helps.
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Old 20-07-2005, 10:54 AM   #4
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Good luck to you and your butterfly! They are extremely difficult to keep. I tried 3 times and they refused to eat. They died after week or 2 I give up on keeping them liao.
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Old 20-07-2005, 09:14 PM   #5
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Hi Kyo,
The pic look great, but no offence it looked like the photop has been edited in some software. Especially the fish look unnatural in the tank.
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Old 20-07-2005, 09:21 PM   #6
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I really don't think the photos are digitally mastered. You can see the blurring of fishes at the left-right sides / background of the photos due to the aperture not being able to provide the fullest depth-of-field. The fish shadows cast on the sandbed are too real to be fake.

Some of the fishes that appear to be sharp and clear, and "too good to be true", can actually be attained through the use of high-end DSLRs. I've seen a lot of amazingly sharp and clear fish shots taken from high end cameras, and they are looked almost unreal.

We can post this in the photography section and hear what the pros say.
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Old 21-07-2005, 09:41 PM   #7
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I really don't think the photos are digitally mastered. You can see the blurring of fishes at the left-right sides / background of the photos due to the aperture not being able to provide the fullest depth-of-field. The fish shadows cast on the sandbed are too real to be fake.

Some of the fishes that appear to be sharp and clear, and "too good to be true", can actually be attained through the use of high-end DSLRs. I've seen a lot of amazingly sharp and clear fish shots taken from high end cameras, and they are looked almost unreal.

We can post this in the photography section and hear what the pros say.
Only the last pic look real to me!
Look at the rest of the photo, rough edges of the fishes can't blend well with the environment.
If u do editing in photoshop then u'll get what i mean.
Let's analyze the 1st pic. The background & water surface were dark, it suggests that ambient lighting was poor. But all the fishes from front to back have great sharpness(good depth of field), high contrast, color, & freeze on their moment without a single blurr!
To capture this kind of photo, a faster shutter speed & smaller aperture have to be used. But considering the poor ambient lighting & shooting through glass, we know that it's impossible to achieve that.
Further more DOF will get shallower if u r shooting real close to your subject.
In fish photography, generally u will always need a wide open aperture & faster shutter speed no matter what the lighting condition is. A wide open aperture will make the background blurr, & freeze the fishes on action by
a faster shutter speed.
Of course u can say that additional flashes or lights can be set up to aid the photographing, But look at the last pic, too much light. Image overexposed! Fishes look like exposing on a big head light!
There r really lot of factors to consider for good exposure through glass.
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Old 21-07-2005, 10:51 PM   #8
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Red face You may be right...

Actually I wanted to post my counter-arguments, but I decided to refer to the EXIF for stronger points:
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The pictures are taken from a 2 megapixel Fuji point-and-shoot camera, at 640x480 resolution? I think you may be right.
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Old 21-07-2005, 10:59 PM   #9
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wow.. that is a very stylo setup..
those rock at the side is it stack up 1 ? or is those "fake wall" that is sold in lfs.. ??
the fishes are very nice but is that consider over-crowded?
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Old 21-07-2005, 11:17 PM   #10
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wow.. that is a very stylo setup..
those rock at the side is it stack up 1 ? or is those "fake wall" that is sold in lfs.. ??
the fishes are very nice but is that consider over-crowded?
Looks to me those rocks were stacked up and stuck to each other and possibly the glass as well.

The tank is severely overcrowded, something we should never do. The bioload is very high and there is no room for error. Although its still possible to maintain such a population of fish, its unwise due to the very small margin allowed for error.
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