My Cheapo Ray Collection Update

[Koji™]

Originally Posted by samuelphan

Nice and healthy rays there

One of these days must pay your "Fish Room" a visit again

Remember this piece bro? The pattern changing again liao.

[gko]

Originally Posted by Tay

Ya lah, man created brand to mkt their products mah. Where got rays name call Black Diamond lah This is branding right? It is being use for those top quality leo. Next time going to name my BD X SP = Diamond SP Must do some packaging and mkting also mah.

wow ..diamond sp how abt Tay sp

[gko]

Originally Posted by Koji™

Remember this piece bro? The pattern changing again liao.

bro, your rays are all very nice !

[Koji™]

Originally Posted by gko

bro, your rays are all very nice !

Thanks bro. I still looking forward to this piece the marking change over the time.

[genki]

Koji, got full shot of the motoro nia? Thks!

[Koji™]

Originally Posted by genki

Koji, got full shot of the motoro nia? Thks!

Maybe I should take out and put into shallow pail to take picture tomorrow.

[cavallino]

Originally Posted by lincolngoh

Black also got 3 different types, Henlei, PDR and P14. The rest should be variation of these originals right?

yes to me there is only p12 henlei, p13 leopoldi and p14 itaituba... everything else in between are variants, and physical markings like eclipse and islands to me are just perculiar physical traits (my guess is that they aren't variants on their own)...

and to me ALL the black rays are collectively called PDR/ polka dot rays..

i don't know when PDR became just the name for p13...

Originally Posted by cavallino

yes to me there is only p12 henlei, p13 leopoldi and p14 itaituba... everything else in between are variants, and physical markings like eclipse and islands to me are just perculiar physical traits (my guess is that they aren't variants on their own)...

and to me ALL the black rays are collectively called PDR/ polka dot rays..

i don't know when PDR became just the name for p13...

I always thought P12 were the lowest quality PDRs with off white spots and not very black base. Henleis and P14s were a seperate sub species group.

PDR are the standard 321, eclipses and BDs.

Any one can enlighten?

[cavallino]

Originally Posted by lincolngoh

I always thought P12 were the lowest quality PDRs with off white spots and not very black base. Henleis and P14s were a seperate sub species group.

PDR are the standard 321, eclipses and BDs.

Any one can enlighten?

from what i've seen in supplier stock lists in the late 90s and early 2000s, all black rays were called polkadot rays (PDR). And under PDR, there were 3 seperate and distinct sub species with official designations.

These designations were used on exporter stock lists as well as the rochen book of stingrays which at the time was the most scientific book on stingray nomenclature. I still have them lying around somewhere. Anyway the 3 sub species were:

p12 henlei
p13 leopoldi
p14 itaituba

So to me, they are all PDR.. and what is pdr?.. polkadot rays.. black rays with white polkadots... and whether it's p12/13/14... they all fit this description.. PDR used to be the collective name for black rays.. like i said, it's in recent times that i noticed that the name PDR became associated with only p13.. i dunno why..

everything else i saw emerge in the mid 2000s onwards like eclipse, island, galaxy, BD, 321, etc etc etc was, to me, man's attempt to further sub classify the black rays to try and differentiate pricing.

To me, eclipse and island aren't variants, they're just particular physical traits.. galaxy is just a nicer looking p14.. and i honestly don't know what the BD is yet..

Originally Posted by Koji™

Maybe I should take out and put into shallow pail to take picture tomorrow.

looking forwards for ur update pic!
nice ray u got there.. & thanks for sharing