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Old 28-07-2008, 01:02 PM   #11
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arh~ no i noe min must see 4 rays... tks mod!
8 rays one some also rounded...
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Old 28-07-2008, 02:05 PM   #12
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The second school of thought is that anything with 4-rays and above would be considered, whether or not the 'D' caudal is achieved. I leave it to your own choice on which school of thought you would like to follow.
i guess my standard is lower, anything that not full D even 4 rays,8 rays,16 rays, I consider plakat.

having heavy rays does not mean you get good stock to reach hmpk either.

importantly how the fish can hold spread the caudal fin using the primary rays and achieve 180 degree, number of secondary, tertiery branching is not guarantee you get good HMPK line.

so much on caudal, we should not discount the shape and proportion of dorsal, anal and ventral length to consider as HMPK.
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Old 28-07-2008, 02:43 PM   #13
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how about some pictures of real ideal HMs/HMPKs?

just last night I was having a discussion with a more experienced betta friend over the length of the anal fin. both of us don't seem to understand the standards set for assym hmpks.

everyone seems to want to impose his own POV on the ideal standard, eh, Robi?
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Old 28-07-2008, 02:47 PM   #14
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how about some pictures of real ideal HMs/HMPKs?
Sorry, since they are ideal, I wonder whether there are that many of them around.

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just last night I was having a discussion with a more experienced betta friend over the length of the anal fin. both of us don't seem to understand the standards set for assym hmpks.

everyone seems to want to impose his own POV on the ideal standard, eh, Robi?
This is beyond me. Better get those with qualifications to do it.
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Old 28-07-2008, 02:52 PM   #15
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Sorry, since they are ideal, I wonder whether there are that many of them around.


This is beyond me. Better get those with qualifications to do it.
Well there must be somebody with a picture of an ideal fish? Or do you mean all of us are shooting/keeping/posting cull quality pics?

Regarding the second part, you have anyone in mind?
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Old 28-07-2008, 03:01 PM   #16
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Well there must be somebody with a picture of an ideal fish? Or do you mean all of us are shooting/keeping/posting cull quality pics?
Let's not divert from the original discussion shall we? As in every standard, there's always what's called a 'perfect' fish. But in reality, such a fish may not be found easily.

It does not mean that the fish we keep is a cull. We keep those fishes because we like them, for whatever reasons. They may not necessarily be perfect, in the sense of meeting a particular given standard, but they meet our own standard - for breeding, for enjoyment, etc. That's why I have always advocated that we buy and keep the fish we like, not what someone else likes. That way, your fish would always receive the best care.

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Old 28-07-2008, 07:58 PM   #17
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but if the parent both are HM and the out come if haven reach a HM we call it SDs?are you trying to say that 804 HM are SDs?==> http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=329466 ? mind explain?
i believe they are SD now. when they grow and reach hm we call it hm. when the fish becomes old and cannot hold its finnage to HM we call it SD.
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Old 28-07-2008, 08:39 PM   #18
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huh...=.=" nvm like what they say we call it in our own ways..
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Old 28-07-2008, 08:52 PM   #19
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Thank for sharing all the infos
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Old 28-07-2008, 08:56 PM   #20
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huh...=.=" nvm like what they say we call it in our own ways..
no? you see the fish finnage and you call it what it is. even if adult fish never reach 180 degree and dun have the Straight D its a SD
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