BEC or BES?

[ken_yg]

Thanks Geck for sharing.

I think I saw & caught both of them in my tank finally.

This one latest catch which I think is BES:





This one smaller in build, more smooth looking, caudal fin with two extending tips with white vertical stripes markings, & got smaller blue eye that made it less mystical.


And as for the original blue eye suttoni, think it existence is yet to be confirmed till now.

I had seen that some has name this as BEC too.
Could be same fish each with slight morph in genetic.
Any one can share more informations on the two blue eyes?

Originally Posted by coolace;974
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After seeing and reading I am confuse.
I can't confirm what is mine now.

Originally Posted by Gecko

Personally I think PCF might have either made a mistake or it should be the other way round as BEC has been around a lot longer and BES was more recently discovered hence should be tagged as CF... In the opening few minutes of the old movie "A fish call Wander", BEC was seen in the fish tank... Anyways let's see....I'm just a hobbyist.

Originally Posted by Gecko

Just an observation...it's agreed there are two variants of Blue eyes available and one more that seems mystical.

What we commonly locally refer to as BEC is, according to Planetcatfish:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/common/...?species_id=41

What we locally refer to as BES:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/common/...pecies_id=2295

Then the Suttoni:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/common/...species_id=887

Discussions on the differences between the first two have been covered in old link. The fish u posted is imho BES ("locally described") or P. cochliodon (according to Planetcatfish).

BEC comes in regularly so if u buy one and put them side by side, the distinction can be observed.

[ken_yg]

[TopGun]

share my old collection of BES and BEC

first pic is a BEC


this is a BES


from my observation,
BEC eye are more blue than BES
and BES has got spikes on the body where as BEC doesnt

[Gecko]

Top gun is spot on.

[craz]

Originally Posted by TopGun

share my old collection of BES and BEC

first pic is a BEC


this is a BES


from my observation,
BEC eye are more blue than BES
and BES has got spikes on the body where as BEC doesnt

Nice fishes and good sharing...

[Arubino]

jin swee..... !

[ken_yg]

Think I got the drift finally.
Retraced the postings & some of the internet links of the two fishes mixed.

Think this article illustrate what's Gecko has mentioned:http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/v...p?f=13&t=37185

In summary:
from the linked articles
1. Snout/head profile - Panaque suttonorum has a shorter snout and more rounded, dome like, head shape. Panaque cochliodon has a more elongated snout and has supraoccipital hump, tending towards a more 'angular' head.

2. Body odontodes and plates - Panaque suttonorum have a more armoured appearance. Their lateral row of odontodes look more prominent, as do the scutes/plates. Panaque cochliodon seem to generally have a more smooth appearance.

3. Body colour - Panaque suttonorum has a greyer body colour, whereas P. cochliodon is blacker/darker.
4. The dorsal fin on the panaque Cochliodon is more elevated than panaque Suttoni.
5. The blue eye on the Suttoni is not as dark as the Cochliodon
6. The size of them is also different for adult specimens, Suttoni reaches a 19-22" and I haven't seen any Cochliodon bigger than 12"


So this BE1 is closer looking to BES:



And this BE2 is the smaller variety of blue eye, a BEC:

[ken_yg]

Originally Posted by TopGun

share my old collection of BES and BEC

first pic is a BEC


this is a BES


from my observation,
BEC eye are more blue than BES
and BES has got spikes on the body where as BEC doesnt

Nice collections.
What you fed the blue eyes?
Mine hasn't start eating yet.
Think yet to settle down.

[Gecko]

Bro in local terms you got it now...

Cheers

[joefoo]

Bro Coolace you
house is 100%
BEC