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22-05-2014, 12:31 AM | #61 |
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I think there's no absolute capitalism and neither is there absolute socialism, at least in these countries mentioned, including Singapore ......
The challenge is how much of a socialism there is exactly is not clear. For countries like England and Australia, the election promises plays a big part in their policy or changes. Even Thailand, those promises of higher rice prices for the farmers are also a form of socialism. It's largely a mix between both capitalism and socialism. |
22-05-2014, 12:38 AM | #62 |
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Yes.
I don't really care socialist or capitalistic : man is never perfect hence all socialist systems will be tainted when man tastes power. Socialist Russia was too big, otw could have been.
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22-05-2014, 05:51 PM | #63 |
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Ha... I give it to u lorkun. The economic inefficiencies by removing pricing mechanisms mean doc and road sweeper same pay u surely cannot accept. Ha... More so the allocation in its place instead wif political influence made far more conducive to tyranny... as in Cuba and north Korea... the only 2 countries applying socialism fully.
Full capitalism can also fail... cos nobody can be altruistic all the time... there goes the counter argument. I should start a new thread and where got time, right? Ha... so let's get on with it... write short short go figure the rest way. Yes... a mix... I was hoping someone would say sweden or even denmark... successful socialist democracies where private enterprises fund multitudes of programs aim at making peoples' lives better... and sweden was talking potatoes when it started hor... not even trade routes and deep water port which we got before we even started. Ha... then i can say why is tis govt telling us to go wif switzerland? Think. Now... socialism and capitalism can work hand in hand... so what went wrong for Singapore in recent times... starting wif GCT? The balance is wrong? The tilt is incorrect? We got stuck in equilibrium? None is true... as long as u got people who can do the math... and tis PM is a trained mathematician. So what went wrong? I tell u... trying to get corporatism in the mix is wat went wrong. Why? Really need a new thread... where got time... shortest short... corporatism must be corrupt... and I'll leave it at tat. Last edited by BubbleBubble; 22-05-2014 at 05:54 PM. |
22-05-2014, 06:07 PM | #64 |
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22-05-2014, 06:09 PM | #65 |
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Absolutely...
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24-05-2014, 02:33 AM | #66 | |
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Man is inherently corrupt. Socialised from young as democrat or communist or socialist or gay or hetero atheist/gnostic : regardless the pavlovian training and societal indoctrination : the deep seated darwinian self preservation and ultimate goal of genetic spread/perpetuation manifests as greed. In socialist Russia the black market was run by officials : proles can eat shit if no money. You forgotten or you didn't know? Cuba, yes almost utopian. But you won't be getting the next big idea or game changer from that egalitarian cookie cutter. But NK? Are you figgin kiddin yourself? Idiocracy the movie will be coming true there within 100 years if we let them cocoon long enough.
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Yes. Found it. But song recording shitty. This one clear lyrics.
No way you find a socialist raising his art/game without a gun to his back or privileges as carrot. Equilitarian systems breed mediocrity, no need to stand out : don't disturb the equilibrium.
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24-05-2014, 10:17 AM | #68 |
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U can have the floor lorkun.
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24-05-2014, 05:40 PM | #70 |
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He should have filmed in one take and unedited.
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