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http://arowanaclub.com/stories.php?s.../01/14/2046318 Looking at overfeed and food size the hobbyist gave to their arowanas and then having droop eyes, many indeed look like it is quite true. http://forums.fishindex.com/showthread.php?t=8610 quoted "By far the most common explanation is simply "overfeeding"..." Will post more reference to this when I am back later. |
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03-08-2005, 12:36 PM | #13 | |
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Can also call it drop-eye. |
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03-08-2005, 12:51 PM | #16 | |
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If it is genetically pre-determined, hobbyist should probe into the 2 generations of parents before getting their fish. How about that? There are farmers trimming away the fats from the eyes and so any idea of their fish's diet or possible cause that they can zoom into. Relapse rate is high just like Liposuction, if the diet or body mentabolism or other implications does not change for the good, it will relapse. Doesn't necessary state that diet is totally out. |
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The farmers were doing it, because, they too thought that fats and diet was the cause of droop eyes. Yes, you can liken removal of these retro-occular fatty tissues to liposuction. And no, after liposuction, there's no such thing as a relapse. If you've understood me correctly, when you remove the fatty or adipose tissues away, the adipose cells DO NOT regenerate. The adipose cells are cells that fats are being deposit into. So, if you've removed them, then the fats would not accumulate in the same region again, but rather, they get redistributed into other areas with adipose tissues. So, in removing the retro-occular fatty tissues completely, there wouldn't be a chance for fats to be deposited there already. And so, if this is the case, there wouldn't be a replapse of droop eye, isn't it? Quote:
In such a relationship, you need to have the pre-disposing factor first before the risk factor can come in and influence the outcome. So, in this case, genetics is not ONE of the factors, but a pre-existing condition. Cheers, Kenny |
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It depends on the type of aros u r referring to as well .... basically most silvers develop dropeyes so in tat aspect one can deduce its a genetical factor ... for asian aros, i wud think its more due to environment, the current red tat i have ... when i got it, it has drop eyes, and quite bad at tat ... now its completely ok ... it used to be in a 522 tank upper deck, black oyama and all ... now its in a FGT 842 ... no drop eyes at all ....
of cos the other factor can be from injury when the aro dash, hit its eye or socket and hence develop dropeye
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couldnt be too much fatty food, cause i always starve my aro. feedin 3 times a week wif e min food requirement for e aro |
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03-08-2005, 05:22 PM | #20 |
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Hi Kenny,
The relaspe I am talking about is that the person would still grow fat and yes, you are correct, but somewhere else though depending on the stage of growth. But I wonder if anyone knows when arowanas stop developing new fat cells, any idea Kenny? Can't really say these cells wont appear again, it depends on the stage of growth from what I understand. Like humans, we only stop developing new fat cells after puberty until a critical stage as mentioned in the extract below. I have not practically done any removal on mine before, what is the chances of 100% removal when we are talking about cells? I quote this: [ "Hypertrophic obesity results in an increase in the size of the fat cells, without a change in their number. It is usually a post-adolescent phenomenon, and holds true until total body fat exceeds a critical, at which point new fat cells are produced to accommodate the enlarging lipid reserves." - Credit: Yale Medical Core Curriculum ] Agree with that. Indeed it is a pre-existing condition but not the aggravating factor. Would anyone agree with genes (condition) then diet (cause) be clicking together? Lastly, maybe we can look into places like where the fish can have fat deposits and further discuss about this fact/myth. |
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