Our troubles with China has not ended.

millenium · 19-05-2017, 11:40 AM

http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopol...res-ties-china

What Belt and Road snub means for Singapore’s ties with China

Lion City’s Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong was not among the many heads of state invited to a summit for Chinese President Xi Jinping’s new Silk Road, suggesting Beijing is still smarting from a protracted diplomatic spat

By Bhavan Jaipragas
18 May 2017

China’s decision not to invite Singapore’s Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong to last weekend’s Belt and Road Forum highlights the still-strained ties between the two countries, observers say, though officials in the Lion City have tried to shrug off talk of any diplomatic rift.

Of the 10 Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) members, only three countries were not represented by their heads of government at the high-level summit in Beijing: Singapore, Thailand and Brunei. Twenty-nine national leaders and the representatives of 28 other countries attended the two-day meeting to discuss the China-led initiative to rebuild the ancient Silk Road trade route through a network of new ports, railways and roads.

The Singapore delegation was led by national development minister Lawrence Wong, while Thailand was represented by foreign minister Don Pramudwinai and four other cabinet ministers. Brunei, the tiny but oil-rich kingdom ruled by Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah, was represented by second foreign minister Lim Jock Seng.

In an interview with travelling Singaporean media, Wong revealed that the invitations were decided by China. It was the first official acknowledgement that Lee was not invited. In sharp contrast, regional counterparts including Malaysia’s Najib Razak, Indonesia’s Joko Widodo and the Philippines’ Rodrigo Duterte prominently highlighted their participation in the summit on social media. Lee’s office did not respond to This Week in Asia’s queries on the matter.

Smaller nations with less-established diplomatic ties with Beijing also sent their heads of government to the summit. These included Fiji, Chile, Greece, and Hungary.

Britain sent finance minister Philip Hammond, the government’s de facto number two, while the US delegation was led by White House adviser Matt Pottinger.

Thitinan Pongsudhirak, a Southeast Asian foreign policy expert, said in the case of some countries like Thailand, heads of government were probably left off the guest list because of their peripheral geographical location in the sea and land routes linking China with the rest of Asia and Africa.

PROTRACTED SPAT

But while nearly half of the 57 countries were not represented by their heads of government, foreign policy experts said Lee’s absence was conspicuous as it provided clues on the extent of the fallout following a protracted diplomatic spat between the two countries over the past year.
$55b trade route, and a rekindled China-Pakistan love affair

Xue Li, a senior research fellow at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences think tank, said China’s decision not to invite the Singaporean leader reflected a growing belief in Beijing that the Lion City sought only economic benefits from China, while “relying on the US for security”.

“China is gradually recognising this and therefore doesn’t really care if the Singapore PM attended or not,” Xue said.

Michael Tai, a Singapore-China watcher at Cambridge University, said the non-invite showed the city state had “not patched things up with Beijing since last year’s Non-Aligned Movement Summit incident”.
He was referring to the public exchange of words between Stanley Loh, the Singaporean envoy in Beijing, and the state-linked Global Times newspaper over a report on the city state’s position on the
South China Sea dispute during last year’s Non-Aligned Movement Summit.

Bilateral ties hit another low in November after Hong Kong customs seized nine Singapore military vehicles en route from exercises in Taiwan to the Lion City, citing a breach of local laws on the shipment of strategic commodities. The vehicles were returned two months later, but China used the episode to voice its displeasure at Singapore’s longstanding policy of conducting military exercises in Taiwan, which Beijing considers a renegade province.
Hong Kong to return seized armoured vehicles to Singapore

After the vehicles were returned on January 24, Singaporean officials declared that their behind-the-scenes diplomatic efforts had helped to fix the months-long diplomatic turbulence between the two countries. Lee, in an interview with the BBC in March said “both sides handled it carefully and there had been a satisfactory outcome”. But the non-invitation to the weekend summit showed he and other Singaporean leaders were not on the same page as Beijing on the state of bilateral relations, some observers said.

“What we can deduce is that China is laying its unhappiness over these issues with the Singaporean head of government, who happens to be Lee Hsien Loong,” said Chong Ja Ian, a Chinese foreign policy expert at the National University of Singapore.

The incident was not the first time Lee, the son of Singapore’s founding premier Lee Kuan Yew, has come under pressure from Beijing. Months before taking over as premier in August 2004, Lee triggered a furious reaction from China after he made a private visit to Taiwan and offered to mediate between the leaders of the self-governing island and Beijing. China, which considers Taiwan a renegade province, portrayed the gesture as an interference in domestic affairs and temporarily suspended high-level diplomatic exchanges.

The senior Lee, who died in 2015 aged 91, is widely recognised as the architect of an adroit foreign policy that embraces all major powers. He maintained close ties with senior Chinese leaders even after he retreated from public life following a near five-decade political career.
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“The current administration in Singapore is different from the generation of Lee Kuan Yew,” said Xue, the Chinese foreign policy expert. “They are used to dealing with China from their Western perspective that is being a teacher of China, rather than a follower of China,” he added.

Tai, the Cambridge-based observer, said the new Silk Road could drive a permanent wedge between the two countries. “The Belt and Road promises to bring regional connectivity on an unprecedented scale, which could soon undercut Singapore’s most important asset – her position as the premier trade and financial centre between the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea,” he said.

‘ALL WEATHER FRIENDS’

Singaporean officials meanwhile have maintained the city state is committed to a strong relationship with China. Wong, who led the Singapore delegation at the summit,
said the city state could play a role as a key financial hub for the Belt and Road Initiative. The city state has assets under management of US$1.8 trillion, and last
year was the top destination for foreign direct investment linked to the new Silk Road. In a forum in Beijing last week, senior Singaporean diplomat Tommy Koh said
the Lion City was one of China’s “all weather friends”.
“The bottom line is this: Singapore will never allow its relationship with any major power to harm China,” he said.

He was refuting comments by the Chinese foreign policy observer Ruan Zongze that Singapore was aligned with the US despite publicly claiming it was not.
Officials have also sought to use a series of diplomatic engagements between the two countries this week to downplay talk of strained ties.
Senior Communist Party official Zhao Leji met with Lee on Tuesday during an official visit to Singapore. Wong is chairing the World Cities
Summit Mayors Forum in Suzhou starting on Thursday. The two-day event is organised by the Singapore government.

And on Friday, Chee Wee Kiong, the permanent secretary of the Singaporean foreign ministry, will co-chair a scheduled China-Asean meeting with
Chinese vice-foreign minister Liu Zhenmin. Singapore is the designated coordinator of China-Asean relations.
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At home, some online commentators said the episode crystallised the constant exhortations by the late elder Lee on the vulnerability of small states. Lee in 2009 had said “a small country must seek a maximum number of friends, while maintaining the freedom to be itself as a sovereign and independent nation”.

**HeiYuEr** · 19-05-2017, 12:05 PM

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millenium · 19-05-2017, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HeiYuEr

don't worry.....we still love taobao and ezbuy.

You have to choose between taobao or amazon, one only, if not u consider 2 headed snake.

For me now I buy from taobao only.

**Ong88** · 19-05-2017, 12:50 PM

All this doomsday pussies.
Even pinky lp kew when APTT/TPP fail, idiot.

Dun wori.
Little red dot will huattt.

When SHTF everyone wants to put money or their families in SG.

Don't think that these Chinese officials are fools, they know they may one day be a Suharto/Marcos.

millenium · 19-05-2017, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ong88

All this doomsday pussies.
Even pinky lp kew when APTT/TPP fail, idiot.

Dun wori.
Little red dot will huattt.

When SHTF everyone wants to put money or their families in SG.

Don't think that these Chinese officials are fools, they know they may one day be a Suharto/Marcos.

I hope both China n usa can protect us.

I saw a series of xi pics with different leaders. Only with lky he looked very respectful. With jap pm he looked hostile. With Philippine and malaysia pm he looks neutral.

globalcookie · 19-05-2017, 12:58 PM

LHL better step down! Quit before things turned even more soured. The problem may not be just his meddling with Taiwan/China relationship (kan silang kaypo). In recent times, look at his push for TPP which has been scrapped by Donald Trump! TPP does not include China! That would be like telling China we don't need preferential trade with you.

He isn't as competent with PR like LKY, not even near. He doesn't have the flare (eloquence) nor diplomatic insight that LKY is deeply respected for.

SG has nothing for China nor US (only interested in our geographical location for their naval port, which is our boon and bane) to be interested in protecting us, except that they want to look like big brother. Other than that, both doesn't give a heck about our existence. Trillion dollars what hell.... if we perish, our trillions is anybody's grab isn't it?

Maybe the unknown hands protects us more...

coryfav · 19-05-2017, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by globalcookie

...

He isn't as competent with PR like LKY, not even near. He doesn't have the flare (eloquence) nor diplomatic insight that LKY is deeply respected for.

...

He may be the son but like what someone once said, "The son is not the father."

Gives me the "either you have it, or you simply don't" impression.

globalcookie · 19-05-2017, 01:20 PM

Too large a shoe to fill....

If we look at some cases where son took over from father, a lot ends up living in the shadows. Just a few to mention... Kenneth Jeyarathnam, up north big appetite 'donation'... none lived up to even half their fathers were.

------------

Anyway, we did SG send Lawrence Wong, who is Minister for National Development? Why not Minister of Trade or Foreign Minister? Seems to imply these are wrong person for the job... Why not send DPM Tharman? No face ah?

HA!

So is LW the potential next PM? Possible! We better be prepare for a rubber face. After all he seems more warmth than the fake smile and sense of insincerity incumbent.

millenium · 19-05-2017, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by globalcookie

Too large a shoe to fill....

If we look at some cases where son took over from father, a lot ends up living in the shadows. Just a few to mention... Kenneth Jeyarathnam, up north big appetite 'donation'... none lived up to even half their fathers were.

------------

Anyway, we did SG send Lawrence Wong, who is Minister for National Development? Why not Minister of Trade or Foreign Minister? Seems to imply these are wrong person for the job... Why not send DPM Tharman? No face ah?

HA!

So is LW the potential next PM? Possible! We better be prepare for a rubber face. After all he seems more warmth than the fake smile and sense of insincerity incumbent.

Lawrence Wong is very helpful. Lawrence pls help me on that.

kuay5 · 19-05-2017, 03:22 PM

Lawrence wong chinese name from wikipedia is 黃循財... sounds like seek money. Very apt right?

19-05-2017, 11:40 AM	#1
millenium Senior Dragon Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,495	Our troubles with China has not ended. http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopol...res-ties-china What Belt and Road snub means for Singapore’s ties with China Lion City’s Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong was not among the many heads of state invited to a summit for Chinese President Xi Jinping’s new Silk Road, suggesting Beijing is still smarting from a protracted diplomatic spat By Bhavan Jaipragas 18 May 2017 China’s decision not to invite Singapore’s Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong to last weekend’s Belt and Road Forum highlights the still-strained ties between the two countries, observers say, though officials in the Lion City have tried to shrug off talk of any diplomatic rift. Of the 10 Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) members, only three countries were not represented by their heads of government at the high-level summit in Beijing: Singapore, Thailand and Brunei. Twenty-nine national leaders and the representatives of 28 other countries attended the two-day meeting to discuss the China-led initiative to rebuild the ancient Silk Road trade route through a network of new ports, railways and roads. The Singapore delegation was led by national development minister Lawrence Wong, while Thailand was represented by foreign minister Don Pramudwinai and four other cabinet ministers. Brunei, the tiny but oil-rich kingdom ruled by Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah, was represented by second foreign minister Lim Jock Seng. In an interview with travelling Singaporean media, Wong revealed that the invitations were decided by China. It was the first official acknowledgement that Lee was not invited. In sharp contrast, regional counterparts including Malaysia’s Najib Razak, Indonesia’s Joko Widodo and the Philippines’ Rodrigo Duterte prominently highlighted their participation in the summit on social media. Lee’s office did not respond to This Week in Asia’s queries on the matter. Smaller nations with less-established diplomatic ties with Beijing also sent their heads of government to the summit. These included Fiji, Chile, Greece, and Hungary. Britain sent finance minister Philip Hammond, the government’s de facto number two, while the US delegation was led by White House adviser Matt Pottinger. Thitinan Pongsudhirak, a Southeast Asian foreign policy expert, said in the case of some countries like Thailand, heads of government were probably left off the guest list because of their peripheral geographical location in the sea and land routes linking China with the rest of Asia and Africa. PROTRACTED SPAT But while nearly half of the 57 countries were not represented by their heads of government, foreign policy experts said Lee’s absence was conspicuous as it provided clues on the extent of the fallout following a protracted diplomatic spat between the two countries over the past year. $55b trade route, and a rekindled China-Pakistan love affair Xue Li, a senior research fellow at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences think tank, said China’s decision not to invite the Singaporean leader reflected a growing belief in Beijing that the Lion City sought only economic benefits from China, while “relying on the US for security”. “China is gradually recognising this and therefore doesn’t really care if the Singapore PM attended or not,” Xue said. Michael Tai, a Singapore-China watcher at Cambridge University, said the non-invite showed the city state had “not patched things up with Beijing since last year’s Non-Aligned Movement Summit incident”. He was referring to the public exchange of words between Stanley Loh, the Singaporean envoy in Beijing, and the state-linked Global Times newspaper over a report on the city state’s position on the South China Sea dispute during last year’s Non-Aligned Movement Summit. Bilateral ties hit another low in November after Hong Kong customs seized nine Singapore military vehicles en route from exercises in Taiwan to the Lion City, citing a breach of local laws on the shipment of strategic commodities. The vehicles were returned two months later, but China used the episode to voice its displeasure at Singapore’s longstanding policy of conducting military exercises in Taiwan, which Beijing considers a renegade province. Hong Kong to return seized armoured vehicles to Singapore After the vehicles were returned on January 24, Singaporean officials declared that their behind-the-scenes diplomatic efforts had helped to fix the months-long diplomatic turbulence between the two countries. Lee, in an interview with the BBC in March said “both sides handled it carefully and there had been a satisfactory outcome”. But the non-invitation to the weekend summit showed he and other Singaporean leaders were not on the same page as Beijing on the state of bilateral relations, some observers said. “What we can deduce is that China is laying its unhappiness over these issues with the Singaporean head of government, who happens to be Lee Hsien Loong,” said Chong Ja Ian, a Chinese foreign policy expert at the National University of Singapore. The incident was not the first time Lee, the son of Singapore’s founding premier Lee Kuan Yew, has come under pressure from Beijing. Months before taking over as premier in August 2004, Lee triggered a furious reaction from China after he made a private visit to Taiwan and offered to mediate between the leaders of the self-governing island and Beijing. China, which considers Taiwan a renegade province, portrayed the gesture as an interference in domestic affairs and temporarily suspended high-level diplomatic exchanges. The senior Lee, who died in 2015 aged 91, is widely recognised as the architect of an adroit foreign policy that embraces all major powers. He maintained close ties with senior Chinese leaders even after he retreated from public life following a near five-decade political career. Can China really deliver Malaysia’s Singapore slayer? “The current administration in Singapore is different from the generation of Lee Kuan Yew,” said Xue, the Chinese foreign policy expert. “They are used to dealing with China from their Western perspective that is being a teacher of China, rather than a follower of China,” he added. Tai, the Cambridge-based observer, said the new Silk Road could drive a permanent wedge between the two countries. “The Belt and Road promises to bring regional connectivity on an unprecedented scale, which could soon undercut Singapore’s most important asset – her position as the premier trade and financial centre between the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea,” he said. ‘ALL WEATHER FRIENDS’ Singaporean officials meanwhile have maintained the city state is committed to a strong relationship with China. Wong, who led the Singapore delegation at the summit, said the city state could play a role as a key financial hub for the Belt and Road Initiative. The city state has assets under management of US$1.8 trillion, and last year was the top destination for foreign direct investment linked to the new Silk Road. In a forum in Beijing last week, senior Singaporean diplomat Tommy Koh said the Lion City was one of China’s “all weather friends”. “The bottom line is this: Singapore will never allow its relationship with any major power to harm China,” he said. He was refuting comments by the Chinese foreign policy observer Ruan Zongze that Singapore was aligned with the US despite publicly claiming it was not. Officials have also sought to use a series of diplomatic engagements between the two countries this week to downplay talk of strained ties. Senior Communist Party official Zhao Leji met with Lee on Tuesday during an official visit to Singapore. Wong is chairing the World Cities Summit Mayors Forum in Suzhou starting on Thursday. The two-day event is organised by the Singapore government. And on Friday, Chee Wee Kiong, the permanent secretary of the Singaporean foreign ministry, will co-chair a scheduled China-Asean meeting with Chinese vice-foreign minister Liu Zhenmin. Singapore is the designated coordinator of China-Asean relations. Related articles At home, some online commentators said the episode crystallised the constant exhortations by the late elder Lee on the vulnerability of small states. Lee in 2009 had said “a small country must seek a maximum number of friends, while maintaining the freedom to be itself as a sovereign and independent nation”.

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Ong88 Prof SK Ong Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,641	All this doomsday pussies. Even pinky lp kew when APTT/TPP fail, idiot. Dun wori. Little red dot will huattt. When SHTF everyone wants to put money or their families in SG. Don't think that these Chinese officials are fools, they know they may one day be a Suharto/Marcos. __________________ Just because it's a bad idea doesn't mean it won't be a good time. Use imgur for your photos sharing https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...m.imgur.mobile Last edited by Ong88; 19-05-2017 at 12:51 PM.

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globalcookie Dragon Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,446	LHL better step down! Quit before things turned even more soured. The problem may not be just his meddling with Taiwan/China relationship (kan silang kaypo). In recent times, look at his push for TPP which has been scrapped by Donald Trump! TPP does not include China! That would be like telling China we don't need preferential trade with you. He isn't as competent with PR like LKY, not even near. He doesn't have the flare (eloquence) nor diplomatic insight that LKY is deeply respected for. SG has nothing for China nor US (only interested in our geographical location for their naval port, which is our boon and bane) to be interested in protecting us, except that they want to look like big brother. Other than that, both doesn't give a heck about our existence. Trillion dollars what hell.... if we perish, our trillions is anybody's grab isn't it? Maybe the unknown hands protects us more... Last edited by globalcookie; 19-05-2017 at 01:03 PM.

19-05-2017, 01:20 PM	#8
globalcookie Dragon Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,446	Too large a shoe to fill.... If we look at some cases where son took over from father, a lot ends up living in the shadows. Just a few to mention... Kenneth Jeyarathnam, up north big appetite 'donation'... none lived up to even half their fathers were. ------------ Anyway, we did SG send Lawrence Wong, who is Minister for National Development? Why not Minister of Trade or Foreign Minister? Seems to imply these are wrong person for the job... Why not send DPM Tharman? No face ah? HA! So is LW the potential next PM? Possible! We better be prepare for a rubber face. After all he seems more warmth than the fake smile and sense of insincerity incumbent.

19-05-2017, 03:22 PM	#10
kuay5 Dragon Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,753	Lawrence wong chinese name from wikipedia is 黃循財... sounds like seek money. Very apt right?

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