Sg's F1 L173

[canopy]

Originally Posted by coolace

I am curious abt this L number too...

Btw bro yr fries do look nice.

sell you as L173 price nice bo?

[Flash]

Originally Posted by johannes

You see, what L-number to give, I don’t know. What matters and most importantly it is clearly not an authentic L173. I will explain further.
From what I see, the fish is most likely resulted from more than 1 L-number, whether created by you or the seller who sold you the fishes (breeding stocks). Its genes are adulterated with other Hypancistrus genes which can be seen in the picture itself.
To an untrained eye, it may pass off as a true L173, heck, I may probably agree many years back. The reason is back then we were still not exposed to that many types of Hypancistrus yet and online references are not that widespread. However, now I can be very certain that there is something else inside.
Another point to note is that you are not sure or certain of how a true L173 should look like yourself. This can be seen by the fact that you randomly posted pictures of your juvenile fishes hoping that one of them may fit the description of a true L173. The fact that there are so many variations in the brood further validated what I mentioned earlier. So this may lead to two things: (1) you were sold Hypancistrus labelled as L173 without knowing they are real or not; or (2) you have hybridized this “L173” you bought with another Hypancistrus.

You've seen my fries, 173b is far from mine. Well u decide, zebra black & white and gold eyes. I trust my source

[coolace]

Originally Posted by canopy

sell you as L173 price nice bo?

Sell as a hybrid price can.
Nobody wan hybrid so I buy and keep to prevent the line from flowing out.
I always kill hypan so I guess I am the man...

[johannes]

Originally Posted by Flash

You've seen my fries, 173b is far from mine. Well u decide, zebra black & white and gold eyes. I trust my source

I am not saying yours is L173b
I was quoting nutx.
I said yours are the product of hybridization.

[Tustar]

wonder if this is is from the same batch?

[Flash]

Managed to net my female out from the colony

[Tustar]

Ooo someone remove the link to his juv picture hmmmm

[Young Man]

Originally Posted by Flash

You've seen my fries, 173b is far from mine. Well u decide, zebra black & white and gold eyes. I trust my source

yes everyone would like to trust their source, no one would like to pay good money to a source whom one does not trust.
but sometimes, can the source be trusted? or even can the source's supplier be trusted? for all you know, your source may not have a true WC breeding colony?
your female seems to show spottings. no doubt it has certain characteristics that matches, but it also has some that does not match.
if it bred true and has offsprings that show it is a 173, then the female might be a one off case, but even the offsprings shows that it is not a true 173, thus it only confirms one fact.
some might turn out to be looking alot like 173 because indeed 173 genes are in this gene pool. but fact it, it is contaminated.

[abel]

Bro tustar, whats the photo u posted?

Bro flash, since u already catch out the female, u can catch out the male also to clear everyone's doubt.. if there is too much slate and dw its alright..

[mrnyunus]

Originally Posted by johannes

You see, what L-number to give, I don’t know. What matters and most importantly it is clearly not an authentic L173. I will explain further.
From what I see, the fish is most likely resulted from more than 1 L-number, whether created by you or the seller who sold you the fishes (breeding stocks). Its genes are adulterated with other Hypancistrus genes which can be seen in the picture itself.
To an untrained eye, it may pass off as a true L173, heck, I may probably agree many years back. The reason is back then we were still not exposed to that many types of Hypancistrus yet and online references are not that widespread. However, now I can be very certain that there is something else inside.
Another point to note is that you are not sure or certain of how a true L173 should look like yourself. This can be seen by the fact that you randomly posted pictures of your juvenile fishes hoping that one of them may fit the description of a true L173. The fact that there are so many variations in the brood further validated what I mentioned earlier. So this may lead to two things: (1) you were sold Hypancistrus labelled as L173 without knowing they are real or not; or (2) you have hybridized this “L173” you bought with another Hypancistrus.



I kinda agree with what bro nutx mentioned. It is very difficult to get a colony of authentic L173. Overseas breeder do have real L173 juveniles for sale, but buyers need to check on the integrity of the seller. However, to get a colony of authentic wild caught L173 is an entirely different thing. First or all they are not readily available and if they are probably in a small number each season. Even wild caught L173 need to be screened from other potentially similar looking fish.
One thing to note is that L173 “Glaser” aka (L173b) is a totally different Hypancistrus altogether and not to be associated with L173 at all.
I apologize for the long post as this is important in my opinion as I do not wish hobbyist to be misled and ended up spending thousands of dollars to finally getting something else.

A very interesting read....Its very true that these WF specimens are getting harder to obtain yet alone catch,shipped,and sold in variety of markets in the world..I understand your take, and its harder to id Hypans,Panaque etc as not much is known abt them and scientist/bilogists are finding new strains/spicimens every other day when fishing season starts..imo