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Old 21-12-2009, 11:57 AM   #11
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Hi bro, New in aro. You mean that without surgery the aro will recover from DE in pond itself?
From what i know DE is cause by aro that did not have much opportuntity to use their eyes when in the tank most of the time looking at the same direction ......and cos of looking at the same direction everyday ......... causes the muscle to be weaken....if in the pond it is different...thay why if put in the pond it can be recovered.
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Old 21-12-2009, 01:10 PM   #12
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Old 21-12-2009, 01:19 PM   #13
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can help to post the title & the TS's nick for me.

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Old 21-12-2009, 01:37 PM   #14
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so need cover ALL sides lor anyway... in FGT would be much easier... compared to cover Tank or put in pond release & catch again...
then why dun just cover all sides or put in FGT instead of having the operation ?

isn't it a known fact that DE due to habits is easily corrected in ponds or FGTs ?
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Old 21-12-2009, 01:40 PM   #15
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So this is before


This taken after the op.


Lets see the diff in few weeks.
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Old 21-12-2009, 02:03 PM   #16
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They do lasik, lipo-suction and double eye-lip surgery ,plastic surgery oso little pain mah... But in the end ,looks good.

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would u trust the chinatown uncle to do lasik, lipo, double eye lid etc on u ?

the plastic surgeons trained for years before they are qualified lor and still there are blotched jobs ......
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Old 21-12-2009, 02:39 PM   #17
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As far I as know, you'll never see DE in aros that are in ponds. Only the ones in tanks develop this problem. Hence it must be an environmental problem. We have seen very obese aros that do not have DE, so the fat behind the eye is not the contributing factor to DE.

There are aros in tanks that also do not & never develop DE while others do. Taking all these into consideration. DE is probably a result of a combination of environmental as well as a behavioural factors.

The DE surgery is not without risks. I guess in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing, the risks are decrease. The fats behind the eye is just space occupying & removing it would certainly improve the appearance of DE. One could associate it to having liposuction.

In this case, to assess the effectiveness of the surgery, the tank should be left open. This is because wrapping the tank on its own would improve DE without having to perform surgery. How would one determine that the surgery or wrapping tank helped with the DE syndrome. I would suggest the TS leave the tank open for the next 2-3 weeks or more & observe for improvement or recurrence.
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then why dun just cover all sides or put in FGT instead of having the operation ?

isn't it a known fact that DE due to habits is easily corrected in ponds or FGTs ?
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I would suggest the TS leave the tank open for the next 2-3 weeks or more & observe for improvement or recurrence.
mmm... will do so... no problem...
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Old 21-12-2009, 05:58 PM   #19
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MCC would like to know the period of putting inside the pond to cure DE? 3months for adult with slight DE issit enough? Will the DE occur if back to the tank again?

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It depends.. i have seen success with about 2-3 mths of keeping the fish in the pond even for severe cases. Its not a overnight process. As for whether it will occur again, it really depends on the tank environment. I have noticed a tendency for the a fish to get D/E when it swims at an angle especially if kept in a black background with a strong light source blasting the front of the tank (either from tanning lights or sunlight). Hence, unless you place another stronger light source at the top to counter this, it is only a question of time before the fish gets D/E
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Old 21-12-2009, 08:51 PM   #20
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It depends.. i have seen success with about 2-3 mths of keeping the fish in the pond even for severe cases. Its not a overnight process. As for whether it will occur again, it really depends on the tank environment. I have noticed a tendency for the a fish to get D/E when it swims at an angle especially if kept in a black background with a strong light source blasting the front of the tank (either from tanning lights or sunlight). Hence, unless you place another stronger light source at the top to counter this, it is only a question of time before the fish gets D/E
2-3 months to cure severe DE is consider fast and I dun mine to try if that is the case.

I believe choosing an aro during their juv stage around 7" to 9" is important, it should not have developed DE even with the slightest as it will definitely get worst down the road if its kept in the tank.

Talking about fatty causes DE, this is my point of view:-
I have attached 3 pictures with all very well fed and 24" in size around 3 years+ aros.

-lst pic is a red with perfect eyes.
-2nd pic is a xb with perfect eyes, I knew ex-owner kept it from 11" in a 622 bare tank with mostly SW and MP diet.
-3rd pic is a HBG with one side DE, I got it at ard 13" and has already showed sign of slight DE, it got worst when it grew older and I fed it with MP all the way.

Hence, I believe fatty food will only cause DE to be worsen but not causing the aro to develop DE for sure.

Its the environment, space and genetic or even habit of an individual aro that causes DE to develop.

You will also notice in a comm tank of same brooder, some of them develops DE or even plj.

Maybe gurus can share their views here.

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