my next generation bd n bdleo

[Adrian Kwok]

Too captivating.. Can I have some??

[ap99]

Originally Posted by Nevin

Understood, so light base & well lit environment are the key factors for the big spotters?

Er... Not really bro it mainly depended on the genes!.. Environment comes after that,....

[ap99]

Originally Posted by azon

Change hp and take a better video la.. knn..

I just change only leh.... Wah you demand high high lah this vid i take using K zoom.... Er... or me skill cannot make it lah hehehe

[ap99]

Originally Posted by marshy

Lovely brooders Dennis!
Your rays never fail to impress.
Are they from your previous breeding or WC?

Thanks Marshers.... All are previous breeding of my own

[sen_jie]

Amazing...

Saw that its in a outdoor pond, is it fully sheltered? Will e rain water affect the quality of water?

[marshy]

Originally Posted by ap99

Thanks Marshers.... All are previous breeding of my own

Lovely!!
In fact.. The really nicer specimens are the ones with really messy patterns. Has captive breeding of BD changed so much to acquire such new look? If so, all the past discussion on requirements of what constitute to being a true BD can throw out the window liao.. Both local and international discussions and final requirements.

It's a really fantastic achievement to rewrite such a deeply debated topic.

[nutx]

Originally Posted by ap99

I just change only leh.... Wah you demand high high lah this vid i take using K zoom.... Er... or me skill cannot make it lah hehehe

nice ray....

maybe your hand too shaky...

[ap99]

Originally Posted by pet shop boys

Power! Superb collection..

Originally Posted by Scary

Amazing collection!

Originally Posted by Goodzilla1188

Very powerful !! Speechless

Originally Posted by CheckerBox

Simply amazing!!!

Thanks guys for e compliment

Originally Posted by takanori

That pcs at the end of the video is astonishing!

That small piece you are saying.. Like her too

Originally Posted by khoon

very nice future brooders..can see more white than black on some pcs

no lah herman,... Only 2 or 3 lah hahaha

Originally Posted by Dragnet88

Nice collection,
Your pond open air or shelter?

It's 70% sheltered 30% open....

Originally Posted by itchy

Very powerful collection for next breeding stock. Every pieces is a gem, so beautiful! Really cannot imagine what will come out of them at next gen.

I'm waiting too haha

Originally Posted by Zozo

Keeping Singapore flag flying high. Impressive breeding stocks.

Chris... Not so great lah you like that say I also pai seh

Originally Posted by conchabullosa

Super nice!!
They always look better out in the pond under natural sunlight!!

Yes Michael..... Agreed it has better BW contrast!,... In fact I have a school of wild caught at first went they arrive they're spot are yellow but after 7-8 months the spot turn super white even main diet is mp and fgs from bro Tay...

Originally Posted by Adrian Kwok

Too captivating.. Can I have some??

Hehehe you say leh

Originally Posted by sen_jie

Amazing...

Saw that its in a outdoor pond, is it fully sheltered? Will e rain water affect the quality of water?

No it's not fully sheltered.... Rain not an issue too,... in fact better for rays too

[ap99]

Originally Posted by marshy

Lovely!!
In fact.. The really nicer specimens are the ones with really messy patterns. Has captive breeding of BD changed so much to acquire such new look? If so, all the past discussion on requirements of what constitute to being a true BD can throw out the window liao.. Both local and international discussions and final requirements.

It's a really fantastic achievement to rewrite such a deeply debated topic.

Those messy pattern you see are pups that are keep in white tank since born so that they're pattern are very pronouns,... There are some pups who are born with lines too,... but if they( both ) are being keep in a much darker environment like in the wild,.. this what so call messy pattern you see will turn into island sporting as they grow,.. just like a adult old ray went they are young they're spot are solid but as they grow older you start to see a shadow on the solid spot... Than it turn to a donut.... Than donut become thinner n thinner it starts to brake into 4 to 5 lines forming the circle n later it will shrunk till it become 4 to 5 spot..... So that's the reason you don't see such pattern in those sub adult wild caught cos it has already morf till like island look or very short lines that look more like an island!.... Hope you guys can understand my poor English

This is my personal experience after all this years not really international lah.... But still I may be wrong too

[marshy]

Originally Posted by ap99

Those messy pattern you see are pups that are keep in white tank since born so that they're pattern are very pronouns,... There are some pups who are born with lines too,... but if they( both ) are being keep in a much darker environment like in the wild,.. this what so call messy pattern you see will turn into island sporting as they grow,.. just like a adult old ray went they are young they're spot are solid but as they grow older you start to see a shadow on the solid spot... Than it turn to a donut.... Than donut become thinner n thinner it starts to brake into 4 to 5 lines forming the circle n later it will shrunk till it become 4 to 5 spot..... So that's the reason you don't see such pattern in those sub adult wild caught cos it has already morf till like island look or very short lines that look more like an island!.... Hope you guys can understand my poor English

This is my personal experience after all this years not really international lah.... But still I may be wrong too

Originally Posted by ap99

Those messy pattern you see are pups that are keep in white tank since born so that they're pattern are very pronouns,...There are some pups who are born with lines too,...

You mean these BD pups were already born with patterns and lines and it's the WTT that makes it more pronounced? Already patterned BD pups... Interesting. Are these patterned BD pups occurrence only from recent captive breeding outcome?

Originally Posted by ap99

but if they( both ) are being keep in a much darker environment like in the wild,.. this what so call messy pattern you see will turn into island sporting as they grow,..

I may be mistaken but are you saying possibly Wild BDs do produce such patterned pups? Of course we don't see such specimen since all WC BD exports are typically at 10-12" size and up.

Originally Posted by ap99

just like a adult old ray went they are young they're spot are solid but as they grow older you start to see a shadow on the solid spot... Than it turn to a donut.... Than donut become thinner n thinner it starts to brake into 4 to 5 lines forming the circle n later it will shrunk till it become 4 to 5 spot.....

This phenomenon typically occurs with relatively bigger spots and as the ray grows bigger and bigger. And even in the whole process of "morphing", we can see these obvious patterns as morphing rather than as special messy look.

Originally Posted by ap99

So that's the reason you don't see such pattern in those sub adult wild caught cos it has already morf till like island look or very short lines that look more like an island!....

Ok. So what sizes are those messy patterned rays in your pond? They look at least sub adult size at minimum. Their look don't fit into the morph patterns you described.

Overall I understand what you're describing. Are you saying that those messy pattern rays are a result of all you described above? But I've seen such described rays in all their stages but their patterns don't match the messy patterns in the video.